The Four Dharmas of Gampopa by Chogyam Trungpa
By Chogyam Trungpa
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They are actually our lovers. We could say the same thing about our lovers: They are enemies, from that point of view. Q: Could you say that the cessation of suffering was the same as the cessation of our concepts about pain? R: I wouldn't say they were quite the same. I think concept is more than suffering. Maybe the cessation itself is a concept, to your surprise. We haven't got it quite in a nutshell yet. We have more work to do. te form of creativity do you come up against ego- tripping? Our society makes.
That seems to be it. If you'd like to ask questions,_you're welcome. Question: There was a time when I thought that I had experienced some understanding of karma and its effect on my life--like having a package of new seeds that seem to get automatically planted at the same time. What you are saying now makes me think that maybe the experience of loneliness is somewhat familiar, and that there is a choice of indulging, which is like trying to replant the seeds, or experiencing the freedom to not plant seeds.
Painful pain. ow good you feel. ) It depends Q: Well, okay. Could you describe that pain a little bit more? You see that there is pain, so it isn't quite so painful. R: Pain is experience. Maybe you are confusing two issues there. When we talk about pain, we are not talking about conceptual pain. We are talking about actual experience, overwhelming experience, direct experience. And when you see clearly, you have a very clear experience,· which is almost overwhelming. Q: But there is nothing you can do about it?